Custom Sonic weapons

Thats it, ive been putting this off way too long.

I want a show of hands of who would be interested in me making some custom sonic weapons, and casting and selling them. I am sick of games workshop charging outrageous amounts for an essential piece of kit for us, as am i sick of people sticking a gargoyle head on a bolter and calling it a sonic blaster.

These sonic weapons will be varied, there will be 2-3 different "sonic rifles" and 1-2 "big boomers". There will also be sonic pistolas, "dread hailer" backpack attachments and maybe some other perverted bits and bobs on this sprue. I am also going to make Alternate sonic weapons... (ie sonic plasma gun, sonic lascannon (sonic flayer, sonic lance respectively) and maybe some others. I will make them so they will fit onto the plastic hands just like a bolter does now.

Im going to do this a bit like wargames factory. When i get interest and a pledge from enough people, I will move on to the next step.

10 ppl Step 1: ideas
20 ppl Step 2: concept artwork
30 ppl Step 3: test sculpts.
40 ppl Step 4: Sculpting
I will take a deposit at this point for pre-orders.
60 ppl Step 5: Casting.

I estimate it will cost around $300 in time and materials*. This cost will be passed on to the people that paid the deposit, so if for example there are 30 people that put in for pre orders, then the sprues will be $10 each. If there are 60, they will be $5. But only for the pre-orders. This is so that i break even.

Then i will put the price up and sell them on ebay.

I think that charging more than $15 for this sprue would defeat the purpose, so I will charge less than that if possible.

To show your interest, post in this thread, and PM me with your full name, address and contact number. (I will keep this strictly confidential).

Note that these will be completed original designs, and do not infringe on Games workshops IP.

*This is just an estimation, and could change.

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Last edited by Wenemun on Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:09 am; edited 2 times in total

Sounds like an interesting idea. We might have to change the names to avoid legal issues if we want to make a profit, but it would probobly be ok. I'm not sure what kind of market there would be though, as I have a dirty suspicion that we would be the market.

I've started on sculpting various things, I've at least got a start on clays and materials, although I'm not small enough for this scale yet, still if its a fan project I'll put down some stuff to look at or help where I can and I'll assemble my group of reliables and look at some concept art and stuff. I'm willing to start putting drawings on the table and testing out greens, but I'm not sure if we should even get money involved until we actually have something to caust.

The only exeption would be if you are planning on hireing out someone from spain or commisioning someone, then I would be more then happy to chip in dollers after we got an estimate.

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Fair warning: Casting discussion of any kind is traditionally banned on this forum, because inevitably somebody starts talking about stuff that can get the site into a lot of legal trouble.

That being said, I'm going to let this one slide for now. However, the second this topic steps over that legal line, this thread is gone, no second chances.

Keep it legal. In other words, 100% original design, 100% original parts, and I'd highly advise coming up with different names.

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Of course Ceno. Im well aware of your view on this, and the boards rules. I will not tell people how to cast. Im not talking about casting other peoples things, im talking about selling my own custom models. The first post has been edited.

Filthy: Im pretty sure theres a decent market right here... And theres probably a larger market out there. Every few months a topic pops up "how to i make sonic blasters that dont cost me more than the miniatures they are glued to?"...
Damn right we will be the market... not specifically "us" but new slaanesh devotees who ask this question, or those who want to make or increase their slaanesh force.
Drawings and ideas are whats needed, please post them!! Very Happy

Nope, no money until were ready to cast, but i dont want to do what i did last time, which was spending yonks making a model of a new jetbike, moulding and casting it because it had lots of interest, and i thought i could make some people happy. But when it came down to it, those people had lost interest and i had some useless moulds that had taken me 3 weeks to make.

This is why i want pledges "Yes, i will put in a portion of money for your time and materials"

If there is enough interest, then i will outsource the mouldmaking and casting. If its only 30 or so people, then i will probably do it anyway just at home. (im pretty good, but obviously no pro)

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I can't make any promises, as my drawing is poor, so I might need to outsource, but I'm going to see what I can work.

I suggest we start calling these Sound weapons for darkness marines. I don't think thats proprietary. I'm going to start looking at the meassurements for darkness marines, they are 25 mm scale, so it is possible that the parts will be compatible with another companies evil 25mm marines... maybe thats going to round about. either way I'm going to start playing around.

What kind of feel do we want though? Are we thinking about doing instraments, or sci-fi guns with speakers on them? What kind of look are you thinking about... Really that question is for everyone.

What kind of look would we be interested in?

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I have some rough preliminary drawings, i just need to scan them.
I want to make them a bit varied, theres a few roughly sax/trumpet based, and a few kinda guitar/violin based.
Ive got ideas to make some keyboard ones, and maybe something a drum like for dread hailers as well as a pipe organish thing.
Wikipedia has about 500 instruments listed, i intend to use these for ideas.

They arent as "demonic" as GW's, but they are pretty dark and evil looking.

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I'd be interested in sonic guns, but they'd have to look impressive for me to be insterested in instruments.

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I am interested in this.
I can help with funds, though, I am lazy.
This reminds me of the codex and how I have made other rules for "Noise" guns in it.
You can click my signature link to see the page.
While youre at it, perhaps some heads?

Wenumen. Are you aware that potentially Forgeworld may release some Slaanesh or Tzeentch parts and also next year 2011 will see Chaos codexes?

	Cenobite wrote:
	Keep it legal. In other words, 100% original design, 100% original parts, and I'd highly advise coming up with different names.

So, we are making our own sculpts for guns and we are selling them as they will be our own original products.
It has nothing to do with anything else.
But.. We will make them to scale with the things we all share a commen interest in.

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question, If I sculpt a bolter out of green stuff and then cast it, is it still illegal? would imagine so but still ^_^

so far I'm just using a bolter with a new mussle (the old bits of sprue from backpacks with a GS vent on the front) and some guitar wire at the back.

I'll be interested to see how all these turn out Very Happy

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Bell: Technically, yeah, sculpting a "Bolter" from scratch and casting it is illegal, because its infringing on GW's IP rights. But sculpting a "Bolt action sci fi assault gun" and casting it is not, because it is not infringing. So long as it doesnt look like a bolter. But i mean, box with a tube on the end?

Saki:
Thats the idea, making sonic weaponry. Do you know if theres a list of all the noise guns we came up with?
I also want to do some heads and gubbins... give me ideas.
Ive been hearing that FW are doing slaanesh and tzeentch gubbins for the last 4 years, and cult codices since the crappy C:CSM came out. Im sick of waiting for GW to get of their arse.

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	Wenemun wrote:
	Bell: Technically, yeah, sculpting a "Bolter" from scratch and casting it is illegal, because its infringing on GW's IP rights. But sculpting a "Bolt action sci fi assault gun" and casting it is not, because it is not infringing. So long as it doesnt look like a bolter. But i mean, box with a tube on the end?

Hold on, would that mean that GW owe all gun companies millions of billions of dollars because they made models of and called it a gun?
Seriously.
You can't infringe on casting a home made gun, you can't infringe on calling something a space marine but you can if theyre "too" similar.
Space marines, at least the name was not GWs property otherwise the Aliens movie and Starship troopers which came out before and during GWs product would be paying each other royalties.
We would also have to pay for drawing pictures of them.

If you cast a "Bolter" make sure you call it something else.
If you cast a Space marines, call it something else and on the safe side change it a little.

So.
As far as I am aware if we make "Sonic Weapons" we're fine, GW don't own that word.

	Wenemun wrote:
	Saki: Thats the idea, making sonic weaponry. Do you know if theres a list of all the noise guns we came up with? I also want to do some heads and gubbins... give me ideas. Ive been hearing that FW are doing slaanesh and tzeentch gubbins for the last 4 years, and cult codices since the crappy C:CSM came out. Im sick of waiting for GW to get of their arse.

I have the list but not on this computer, this is my new super computer that has everything except my old data from my virus computer. I've told you guys a million times that when I virus up a computer I just buy a new one. Lately I have been taught how to do virus scans and uninfect my computers but I just don't care, I can afford a new one and upgrade bi-yearly. It works for me.
Lucky for some aye.

So, what I need to do is get a real copy of MS word and somehow reopen that codex and tell you the names.
From my memory we had; Sonic Blaster, Blastmaster, Doom Siren, Terror mortar, Sonic repeater, Sonic pistole and what I liked to call Heavy Blastmaster and Heavy Sonic Blaster but you guys didn't like it so they were namless until we decide.

Head;
We have a head sculptor on this forum, we could talk to him.
Otherwise I think we could use pre-existing heads and alter them. All we need from the pre-existing heads are the scale, its very hard to sculpt perfect visors and front breathing parts. (God, i'm so bad at boy words today.)

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Well I found these in the old thread:

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words for sonic guns (mix'n'match):

noise
melody racket pitch noise sonance static vibration anthem dirge paean hymn babble blare boom burst jabber shreik shrill whine
kill
exterminate abolish sedolate despoule maim qyell ravage raze violate seize spoilate
weapons
axe carbine derringer anlace(dagger) arbalest(xbow) atlatl (spear thrower) bandarilla barong bat tomahawk cannon equaliser magnum musket shooter rod accelarater matchlock arquebus heater

There was also Sonic Pistole, Sonic Flayer, Terror Mortar, Vibrorifle, Sonic Accelerator, Sonic Shotgun, Sonic Oscillator, Anthem Arquebus, Boomlock Anlance, and Static Equaliser.

That's all I could find.

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for heads you could go for some sort of gimp mask if it isnt just noise that we're looking at, but if it is then vents, speekers and amps would look cool. I find myself drawing up plans for conversions that i never end up doing so if I find myself drawing some cool heads then I'll post the pics up Very Happy

tortoise (sp Confused

) did a tute on how to make slaaneshy heads, why not have something like those?

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Thanks Teh. That's what I was looking for

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Here are some images.
Terror mortar and Vibro Rifle

Sonic Pistole and Sonic Flayer

Sonic Lancette

Boomlock Anlance

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That gorram Sonic Lancette looks fraken AMAZING. I like the others too, but the Lancette is SPECTACULAR. Seriously nice work.

For the cable-casting problem; perhaps cast an set of slight indents into the lance itself, and cast the cables seperately. Then we could just superglue 'em on.

I know this was kind of deliberate, but the Boomlock Anlance (best. name. ever.) looks too much like horn instrument imo. I realise this was the intention, but to me it looks a bit too out of place on a CSM. I think it's the bottom/mid part, the way it wraps around makes it look kinda impractical. But the overall design on it is very nice.

So,
Sonic Pistole = Bolt Pistol
Terror Mortar = Demolisher
Sonic Flayer = Plasmagun
Boomlock Anlance = Missile Launcher
Vibrorifle = Meltagun
Lancette = Lascannon
,yes?

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Teh,
Thanks, this is based on an actual conversion i have using a bright lance.
Cables: Or i could put indents in, and just include some guitar wire... I want opinions on the "whistle bits"...
Boomlock: Totally deliberate. The idea with this one is that it will actually attach to the missile launcher. You could just put on the front bit if you want. Im thinking about making the bit that wraps around ribbed. Its meant to look a bit like a tuba. Ive also got thoughts to make the front bit look a bit serpentine if i can.

Actually, sonic pistole=plasma pistol and vibrorifle=bolter, but yes... and you could use them as either... or none, and us them just as sonic blasters.
I might make 2 variations of pistols. One to represent plasma, and one for bolt.

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Boomlock;

I think I get what you're saying about a ribbed tube, maybe something like the SM Heavy Bolter feed except circular? Like the body of a wraith? It could wrap around as if it's bit more fluid and connect to a heavy backpack on the other side. It'd still look like an instrument but could also very easily fit the bill for a srsbzn-sonic-kick-your-ass weapon. I like.

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sorry man but the lanc thingy looks a little too eldarish to me though I love the idea of it. the rest look really cool Very Happy

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God I love the Trombone thing.
The last one.

Basing them on real musical instruments appeals to me.
I love Harps (I play it) I wish I could make that into a Sonic Weapon.

For the Terror Mortar I would like to see this as a ball, either like a ball of noise or something that cracks open when it lands from above and explodes.
So in that case it would look much like a mortar, a upwards pointing tube that flings things over.
Barrage type weapon.

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